Pat Tillman was a top-notch safety with the Phoenix Cardinals of the NFL. He was an incredibly intense guy, always looking to challenge himself, to push himself past his limits. But he also had a sensitive, emotional side and an intellectual curiosity, exceptional in his chosen profession. He came from a close-knit family that held the military in high regard and was touched deeply when the USA was attacked on and subsequently went to war following 9/11. Setting aside his lucrative football career, Tillman and his brother, Kevin, joined up, intent on going to Afghanistan to fight.


Pat Tillman - image from Huffington Post

Krakauer braids several strands here, one of Tillman, a biography that offers enough warts to matter, the second a look at the events leading up to the Afghan war, pretty much all warts, and a third, which looks at the specifics of how Tillman was used by political types, how he was killed and how the military and politicians handled his passing.

Tillman comes across as a compelling character, a Renaissance grunt. But I would have d for Krakauer to have at least looked at the possibility that there was an explanation for some of Tillman’s behavioral choices that was less than laudatory. Maybe the guy was, in addition to his other characteristics, an adrenalin junkie, who went out of his way to take unnecessary risks.


Jon Krakauer - image from CNN

There were many irregularities in the investigation of Tillman’s death. The officer assigned to conduct the investigation was a captain, and thus could not investigate any officers of higher rank, which would have included the Major who gave the order to split up the squad Tillman was in, a crucial aspect of the tragedy. Tillman’s uniform and body armor was not left on Tillman’s body, to be removed at his autopsy. Instead a captain had it put into a bag, then ordered a sergeant to burn it. Tillman’s personal notebook was also burned. When Tillman’s brother Kevin tried to reach platoon members to find out exactly what had happened, a Captain told at least one platoon member to say nothing about friendly fire. When the medical examiner was told that Tillman had been killed by the Taliban, but saw from the body that this was not the case, he asked the Criminal Investigation Division to look into the case, but CID refused. Seeking to distract public attention from the Abu Ghraib scandal, which broke the day Tillman’s body was returned to his family, the Bush administration sought to highlight Tillman as an American hero. Part of that was to award him posthumous medals. PFC Bryan O’Neal was ordered to type out a witness statement in support of Major Hodne’s Silver Star recommendation, “but after he wrote, his words were embellished so egregiously that he never signed it.” (p298)

A remarkable life went to waste here. Krakauer does a good job of showing the value that was lost and the values of those who tried to hide the truth of that waste.

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I'm active duty military and can partly--partly--understand why Pat Tillman turned down a 3.6 million dollar contract with the Arizona Cardinals, and, instead, enlisted in the Army as a grunt for $1200 per month. I use money as the central metric of Tillman's decision because it's the one most non-active duty military readers will misunderstand. I'll try to explain his decision from our (military) perspective.

Let me start by saying I would not have made the same financial decision, despite the uber-patriotic shadow of 9-11 that led many of us to change our lives and some of us to join the military. This was Pat Tillman's decision, and I respect it. I joined 5 years before 9-11, and am proud to have deployed multiple times to Operations Enduring Freedom (OEF) and Iraqi Freedom (OIF). If I wasn't already part of the military, I may have joined after watching the towers fall, but I can't be sure. (A few formidable years encompass major changes in a young man's place and perspective with issues this). But, I know for sure that I would not have joined and turned down $3.6 million. I know myself, my family, our financial position, and our plans for retirement, so financial security would have trumped my patriotism. That's okay. There's nothing wrong with that. There's thousands of ways to be good Americans and support the troops without joining the military. However, Tillman was inspired, and money had nothing to do with his decision.

When you join the military, you don't join for the money. Pat Tillman knew this. Unless you become a 3- to 4-star general, you will probably live 99.7% of retired military personnel--a life with a modest pension, and, very ly, a second career starting in your early-40's. In fact, many young enlisted, active duty troops with large families actually require food stamps and extra financial help at Christmas. There are no NFL contracts in the military. However, as a 25 year old, Pat Tillman already received several hundred thousand dollars from the NFL. His wife worked, they had no kids, and it seems they lived well within their means. So, it's safe to say that Pat Tillman had enough money to lean on. He could serve his 3 year tour, return to the NFL, and ly pick up financially where he left off--albeit with a more worldly perspective.

From Where Men Win Glory I understand Pat Tillman as an aggressive, slightly hyper, type-A, alpha-male with a consuming urge to challenge himself both physically and mentally. He was a natural athlete, a raucous drinker, and a thrill seeker, yet he displayed a cool mettle, a certain sangfroid, that counterbalanced his testosterone. He even had a touch of the numinous, in spite of his agnosticism. Most importantly he had a set of morals by which the actions in his life were strictly defined and measured. His personal principles demanded that he bite the most out of life, masticate everything, and leave no opportunity untasted. Many men (and women--but I'll stick with the masculine pronoun from here out) in the military have these attributes. The military offers guys this a chance to play really hard with big toys that bring hellfire and break things. The military also offers man an opportunity to make a difference, to fight for a cause Tillman considered noble, to defend your country, to apply all the previous attributes against a daily workload. For many, it's the best job in the world, and it's the job they'll talk about most as a grandfather.

Tillman, though, for me, remains a bit of an enigma. Why was he the only professional athlete in America since WWII that postponed a million dollar career to bring hellfire and break things? Here's what I think: despite his age, Tillman was still in that post-pubescent stage of life where a boy, just arriving at manhood, considers desperately where his mark in life will lie. Who am I; what will I be; will I share with a spouse/kids; does this damn college degree really matter; how long will I be in control; have I done anything worthwhile yet? It's a youthful angst. I had it. My buddies went through it. I still experience shades of it as I contemplate the intersections and turnpikes of my life. Tillman hadn't made that decision yet. Good for him. And what an awesome spouse he had that understood and supported his decision. She was (and is forever) a quintessential military spouse. My heart goes out to her. Pat Tillman--at a crucial point in his life--felt there was something more rewarding serving in the Army than serving as a Cardinal. He was 3.6 million dollars sure he wanted a military experience defending freedom before defending the backfield as a strong safety.

Two things crush me about this story. One, Tillman was killed during his first encounter with troops in contact (TIC), and two, the army used his death for internal propaganda and subsequently tried to cover it up. Tillman knew death was a possibility, so he entered that decision with a clear mind. But to die at your first hostile exchange with enemy fire, and from friendly fire at that!! Goshdarn, that sucks. Worse, the army made 7 successive investigations into his death, each one revealing new information while continually redacting previous conclusions. It's the cover up that makes me throw up a little in my mouth, as it did many of the junior level soldiers when told to hide the truth, even from his brother who was also in the firefight, until an official investigation could be completed. The Army provided false information for his eulogy, and the White House procrastinated releasing to the media until they could frame the story. It's shit this that reminds me the machine is too big, or we're too politically correct, or that somehow we've lost the value and sacrifice of the individual to the State. I pray that it doesn't happen that often, but when it does, it's necessarily egregious. And it happened to Pat Tillman and his family.

5-stars for Pat Tillman. But only 3-stars for the author, Jon Krakauer. I've only read one other book by Krakauer, Into the Wild, but he uses the exact same formula. He investigates the death of a young male, in an austere environment, under very dubious circumstances, and which has generated voluble public debate. He's a tenacious reporter and reveals the facts in an engaging way. He's slightly biased, but not to an unreasonable extent, and his author's voice is relatively settled. However, neither book presents much more than an extremely long series of articles that you'd find in a distinguished newspaper or popular outdoor magazine. It's simply a journalistic exposé.

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“Man, supposing you and I, escaping this battle, would be able to live on forever, ageless, immortal, so neither would I myself go on fighting in the foremost nor would I urge you into the fighting where men win glory. But now, seeing that the spirits of death stand close about us in their thousands, no man can turn aside nor escape them, let us go on and win glory for ourselves, or yield it to others.”
- Homer, The Iliad (Richard Lattimore translation)

American professional football is an extremely martial sport.

Designed as a more ordered form of rugby, football’s calling card is violence. Players crash together: huge blocks; vicious tackles; and whiplash-inducing collisions. When a play is over, there are bodies strewn on the field. The war lexicon of football plays into this conceit: the linemen are in the trenches; the defense blitzes the quarterback in an attempt to sack him; the minute-to-minute struggle occurs for control of the line of scrimmage. In case you missed the point, the coaches will tell you that their teams are in a battle or war.

Professional football owners have fostered this image, and have taken millions of dollars from military recruiters. Thus, it is not surprising that so many games feature a pre-kickoff flyover by jet-fighters.

Undoubtedly, football is dangerous. That is becoming more apparent with every CT scan. Nevertheless, football is not war. It is not even close.

Patrick Tillman knew this better than anyone. He was a hardworking, hard-hitting safety at Arizona State University who was later drafted by the Arizona Cardinals. Despite lacking certain physical qualities – height, blazing speed – he did well enough to earn a contract that would’ve made him a millionaire. After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, Tillman walked away from that contract to join the Army.

He became the most famous soldier in America. With his lantern jaw, shaved head, and Popeye physique, he looked a recruiting poster. He became an Army Ranger, served a tour in Iraq, and then went to Afghanistan.

You probably know the rest. Or at least you think you do.

Jon Krakauer, a journalist known mostly for adventure writing such as the Everest disaster epic Into Thin Air, tells Tillman’s story – what he terms Tillman’s “odyssey” – in the uneven-yet-worthwhile Where Men Win Glory.

The structure Krakauer employs alternates vignettes of Tillman’s life with the goings-on in Afghanistan that eventually led to the American invasion in 2001. For example, Krakauer starts with Tillman’s birth in California in 1976. Then, he switches perspective to Afghanistan where, in the closing hours of 1979, the Soviet Union invaded with the 40th Army. The oscillation between the intimate, personal story of Tillman, and the larger, context-creating story of Afghanistan, continues until the two parallel strands intersect outside the village of Sperah, near the Pakistan border, on April 22, 2004.

Normally, I’m all for context. The problem, here, is that it causes unevenness in the narrative. For long stretches of time, we are away from our main point of interest – Tillman – and wallowing in the sad history of Afghanistan: the insurgency against the Soviet-backed ruling party; the resulting invasion by the Soviets; the aid provided by the CIA, in the form of money and missiles; the defeat of the Soviets; the post-Soviet power vacuum that saw the rise of the Taliban; and the creation of al-Qaeda, which used Taliban-led Afghanistan as a staging area. When we are away from Tillman, we lose sight of the human dimension of what is, after all, an intensely human story.

Moreover, the historical perspective sometimes feels a bit filler. For instance, Krakauer devotes several pages to an overly-detailed account of the Florida recount fiasco, and the US Supreme Court’s highly partisan decision in Bush v. Gore. This struck me as exceptionally needless; for purposes of Tillman’s story, it suffices that Bush became president.

I also got the sense that Krakauer is a bit out of his depth – or at least his comfort zone – when writing about Afghanistan. This is not his ken – outdoor writing is – and though he is an able journalist, he relies heavily on secondary sources such as Steve Coll (Ghost Wars) and Lawrence Wright (The Looming Tower) to fill these sections. This is not to say these sections are unreadable, only that they are tentative, and rely on the intellectual lifting of others.

The sections focusing on Tillman are better. However, Krakauer is hampered by the fact that, with the exception of Tillman’s wife, Marie, the Tillman family did not cooperate with Krakauer on this book. As a result, Krakauer had to rely heavily on secondary sources, chiefly the book written by Tillman’s mother. Where he can, Krakauer tracks down willing interviewees with some perspective on Tillman’s life. He talks, for instance, with the people involved in a vicious fight that resulted in Tillman’s arrest for felony assault (he eventually pled to a misdemeanor in juvenile court).

The lack of cooperation leads to gaps, which Krakauer attempts to overcome by focusing on those parts of Tillman’s life he can uncover. There is, for example, a lot of space devoted to Tillman’s seasons with the Arizona Sun Devils and the Arizona Cardinals. Unfortunately, Krakauer isn’t much of a sportswriter. While he has conquered the towering heights of Everest, the gridiron proves more difficult. At one point, Krakauer relates this shining gem of football wisdom:

The Cornhuskers…scored nine touchdowns by halftime, a school record, and the final score [against the Arizona Sun Devils] was 77-28. The loss was especially humbling for the Sun Devils’ defense. If a football team racks up that many points, it suggests that the team being scored against has some serious defensive flaws.

As far as insights go, this is on par with the wetness of rain and the brightness of the sun.

What understanding we achieve of Tillman’s life is mostly provided by Tillman himself, by way of his diary entries. The man who comes across in these pages is beautifully complex, intelligent, profane, and contradictory. In short, a fascinating, relatable human being. Through his writings, you watch Tillman struggle with the friction between his deeply held principles and the competing duties to his wife, his family, and his country. Eventually, of course, his duty to country won out, and he walked away from his wife, his job, and enviable financial security to join an institution that is not exactly noted for prizing individuality and progressive thinking (both of which Tillman had in abundance).

While in Afghanistan, part of Tillman’s unit was ambushed by the Taliban. In the resulting firefight, Tillman was shot three time in the forehead by a Squad Automatic Weapon fired by a fellow US Ranger. Krakauer does an admirable job piecing together the story of this ambush, with a careful, bullet-by-bullet account that tries to instill some coherence to an inherently chaotic situation. He also provides a couple of helpful maps to help the reader follow the movements of Tillman’s unit up to the time of his death.

The Army knew right away that Tillman’s death had been caused by friendly fire. However, the Army, with the blessing of the Pentagon and the White House, decided to take short-term advantage of the situation by covering up the blunder, pushing through a Silver Star, and scoring a huge propaganda coup. Eventually, of course, in no small part due to the efforts of the Tillman family, the truth dribbled out. By that time, though, the nation had mostly moved on.

To me, that’s part of the importance of a book this.

Frankly, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan never directly affected me. Sure, I had friends who served, and every once in a while I’d walk down to the Post Office and send them care packages. But for the most part, I could tune in and tune out at will. There was no sense of shared sacrifice. No draft and no tax hikes. In short, it was frighteningly easy to tune out years (and years, and years, and years) of violence. More than that, a lot of what I think I know is just not true.

Where Men Win Glory provides an important corrective to my stunted knowledge about our still-ongoing wars. It attempts to rescue the truth from a history that is still very fluid.

Still, in my opinion, this is not Krakauer’s strongest effort. He is at his best when he can empathize with his subject, and see in him something that is within himself. When Krakauer strays to topics Afghan history, football, or politics, his writing becomes a bit uncertain. When he sticks close to Tillman, though, he is fine.

I was hoping, however, for more than fine.

Pat Tillman’s story feels tailor-made for a writer Krakauer. Tillman is a lot Christopher McCandless, the central figure of Into the Wild, Krakauer’s controversial, deeply-felt classic about a privileged boy who walked into the wilderness and died. Both Tillman and McCandless were intellectually gifted, well-read, and deeply philosophical. Both came from comfortable backgrounds, which they gave up in order to follow certain internal imperatives. Both bucked the system, and refused to obey the conventional wisdom imposed by society. Both died due to tragic mistakes. And both left themselves open to criticism by those who cannot understand their willingness to sacrifice concrete assets to pursue ephemeral callings.

The power of Into the Wild comes from Krakauer’s personal connection to McCandless. Krakauer saw him in heroic terms, while many – if not most Americans – viewed him as a naïve dope, giving up a comfortable future to starve in the Alaskan wilds. In McCandless, Krakauer saw himself as a young man, driven by urges that could not be placed into words. The only difference between them was that Krakauer survived his mistakes.

There is a resonance in Into the Wild that is lacking in Where Men Win Glory. Krakauer never finds a connection with Tillman, a connection that would have landed with greater impact than a lazy retelling of his football career.

No matter. Tillman’s story is enough, without any annotation. He was the rarest of individuals: a person of strong beliefs willing to transform those beliefs into action. Even though there is a lot of extraneous information in Where Men Win Glory, ultimately Tillman’s incredible personality shines through. He embodies all that is terrible in war and wonderful in humanity. He deserves to be remembered, even as his war grinds endlessly on, and even as his sacrifice recedes to a historical footnote.biography middle-east-conflict military-history80 s Philip997 300

The back cover of my book reads, “Pat Tillman walked away from a multimillion-dollar NFL contract to join the army and became an icon of post 9/11 patriotism. When he was killed in Afghanistan two years later, he became a tool for White House propaganda. Thus a legend was born…”

Throughout the book, Krakauer makes multiple references to how Pat Tillman didn’t grant interviews after enlisting, or how he didn’t want, “them to parade me through the streets” to advance a political agenda. I’m not excusing the Bush administration’s mishandling of the incident, but this book does just that. It parades Tillman – once again – through the streets in order to advance a political agenda; this time it’s the left’s, not the right’s.

Maybe Krakauer thought he had to counter-balance the right and therefore be much more forceful with his arguments, but I swear, there were times I thought he was going to say George W. Bush secretly flew into Afghanistan and gleefully pulled the trigger himself – and that’s just as shameless given what Pat said he wanted. (Or didn’t want.)

Not only that, but it seemed some of Krakauer’s research was shoddy, or at least his conclusions could be questioned. For instance, there are the flight tapes from Nasiriyah (pg. 204). “He was allowed to take it, whereupon he ‘mistakenly’ inserted the tape into the cockpit video camera and recorded over it, erasing it.” Those are some pretty hefty quotes around mistakenly. The thing is, evidence gets lost, or broken, or misplaced more often than one might think. But, because it was supposedly “key” evidence, there’s no way it was a mistake, obviously it was a “mistake.” Right?

Or a few pages later on 210 where it says, “Henry Waxman later alleged that Wilkinson delayed the mission to allow a Special Operations video crew to shoot the rescue for the news media. Although these allegations have not been substantiated…” If they haven’t been substantiated, maybe you shouldn’t include them…

Even the section where they discuss Tillman’s clothes being burned… did it bother me that they typically don’t burn the clothes, and why the heck did they in this case? Yes. But we never hear from the defense. It’s a trial where only one side’s giving the closing argument.

My biggest problem with the book though is the number of soldiers Krakauer throws under the bus. It’s one thing to call out and blast elected officials with low popularity ratings, but something else altogether to call out the people on the ground – especially if you’re wrong. And there’s a chance that Krakauer’s conclusions and even the Tillman family’s conclusions are wrong. These people on the ground (including Tillman) have to make split second life or death decisions. Sometimes it seems there is no right choice. To be killed in your first fire-fight has to suck. To have a part in any friendly-fire killing – not to mention one of an icon – has to suck. To be thrown under the bus for it? Well that REALLY has to suck.

So, why 3 stars if I found the book so disagreeable? It was well written. It stretched me to think about war, and patriotism, and propaganda – both right and left. And I’m rating the book, not how the book aligns with my views. I don’t want to give a decent, thought provoking book one star because I disagree with some of its politics. How’s THAT for open-mindedness?
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Finished last night, and to say I found this book disturbing is an understatement. Lies, and more lies from begining to end. I'm not a naive person, and I realize that there are many things the government keeps from the public despite politicians consistent vows of transparency. An election that should never have been won, aided by our own Supreme court, to a war that should never have been, aided by manipulations of epic proportions, to the suffering of Tillman's family and the extensive cover up that ensued. This is democracy?

Maybe you remember Tillman from the football field? This undersized young man who out performed many. This is his story, the story of a man who wanted to do the right thing. Felt he should fight for his country, honor his freedom and the opportunities he had been given. His life, his love of family, his wife, his country. A life that ended to soon and would be used by the government in a wag the dog scenario.

Takes us into the Bush/Gore election year, the background of the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. So many things not right, can't quite wrap my head around all the gross manipulations from beginning to end. The forming of Al Queda and their hatred of the Western Invaders. Has the promise of a government for the people by the people gone astray? Read this and you can form your own answers.

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This is another totally absorbing book by Jon Krakauer. I read Missoula before and couldn't put it down and the same was the case with this one. I didn't know much about Pat Tillman, but Krakauer made him seem a fleshed out, multi-dimensional man and is story all the more tragic for it. Truly a moving, engaging read and one I certainly recommend!

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I wanted a biography of Pat Tillman, not a scathing critique of the Bush administration. While the actions of George W. Bush and his staff regarding the events surrounding Tillman's death are totally relevant to the story, here Krakauer abandons his usual objectivity and jumps head-first into an attack on Bush that leaves the author sounding nothing more than a pissed-off liberal Seattle-ite. (And I can say that because was a pissed off liberal Seattle-ite.) Ugh. Go cry into your cappuccino.

It's infuriating that such a beautiful and well-told biography suddenly veers off course and tosses the reader in the middle of an old political debate.

I don't need Jon Krakauer to tell me Geroge W. Bush was a horrible president. I lived through 8 years of that smug bastard and I don't want any more. I DON'T WANT ANY MORE. The only thing that pisses me off more than George W. Bush are people who keep going on about him. Let's drop it, shall we?

I wish Krakauer had dropped it. He let his anger at Bush destroy his own story, taking an otherwise perfect biography and turning it into a story of old-hat politics.

Sucked. But because half was good, I'll put it on my meh-whatever shelf. biography meh-whatever middle_east31 s Miranda21 3

When I first started the book, I asked myself if I d the character of Pat Tillman. I didn't understand why I was having such a problem with him. But my problem wasn't with him, it was with Krakauer and his kiss-assery, if I may. The hero treatment was way too much for me. Although, Tillman is a hero in many people's eyes and an overall good guy, it felt he just couldn't be any guy. He had to be "unafraid to buck the herd", "defend honor, with fists if necessary", "Tillman...virtually indestructible", and was "uncommonly resistant to the temptations of the baser human appetites". Hell, he used ODYSSEY in the title! I could go on forever! There's even several paragraphs about how Tillman wanted to meet Noam Chomsky which seems useless until you realize Krakauer wanted to throw that in there because his friend noted that their minds operated the same way. Oh wait, actually that was useless.

Really? I almost disd myself reading this book because I saw how cynical I was becoming with each chapter filled with adoration for Tillman. With that, I thank Krakauer for featuring the history of Afghanistan's civil wars because without it, I would have lost my mind. My suspicions on why he did this were confirmed towards the end. A lot of what was happening in Afghanistan possibly mirrors American policy or how Pashtunwali beliefs mirrored Tillman's own beliefs. I enjoyed that aspect and probably found that's what saved the book.

There are several wasted paragraphs and chapters on superfluous information. I see what he was trying to do with involving the Jessica Lynch story. Clever but annoying in the end. This was the same with other chapters. I felt I answered my question on whether I d Tillman's character when we got to journal entries. It was there that I felt he was real, while in Krakauer's own accounts, he relishes in the myth of Tillman. He should have relied more on Tillman's writings than on his own.

I don't think I'd ever read Krakauer again. I wonder if the author has an obsession with grandeur and the romance of people rather than letting these people be beautiful and wonderful on their own. As far as I know, this is his second book featuring white, upper middle class, men who are well educated but are looking for adventure in the most drastic ways. Though educated, they don't use their heads much. Rather their hearts. And this is not a bad thing but I wish Krakauer realized that instead of writing these ballads. Tillman didn't have to be boy wonder. The author even ends with the idea that Pat possessed no tragic flaw. But why would that be so bad? Pretty good read, good history, but in most cases, much too much.biography-memoirs our-fabulous-untitled-book-club28 s Ethan262 26

Pat Tillman, it appears, is everyone's political platform. Krakauer decries the use of Tillman's life and death for political ends, then goes on to use Tillman to preach about the evils of the Bush administration. By the end of the book, I wondered if this was more about Pat Tillman's life or Krakauer's hatred of Bush.

There's even a whole chapter about the Bush-Gore election. I'm not sure why.

Outside of the political screed, I was a little irritated by the obviousness of Krakauer's man-crush on Tillman, especially the breezy treatment given to Tillman's brutal beating of a fellow teenager (I don't know about you, but I would call an assault that results in its victim requiring 5 dental surgeries a felony and an inexcusable lack of self-restraint). There are other things, but I won't go into them.

Pat Tillman, in my mind, was not a terrifically remarkable man outside the fact that he was a great athlete who was able to chase a little leather ball around a football field. Should I care that he fancied himself a philosopher?

Tillman left a lot of money on the table when he joined the Army to fight for what he believed in. So did Osama Bin Laden, who gave up an allowance of $1 million per year in order to become one of the most hated men in the world. Bin Laden, it might be argued, actually gave up a whole lot more, and achieved a lot more, than Tillman ever did. Maybe Krakauer can write a book about him next.

At the end of the book, Krakauer states that Tillman is a wonderful example of Nietzsche's Ubermensch, and implies that the USA could use more men him. Sorry if I disagree.

The tragedy of Pat Tillman's death was the cover-up by the government and the military, and the fact that many of those involved were actually rewarded for lying. I applaud Krakauer for his efforts to uncover the truth. The information he provided was fascinating. That's why this book gets two stars.
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This is at once a biography of Pat Tillman, a history of Afghanistan, the Taliban (they originally formed to stop bandits from shaking down the populace at checkpoints) and the cover up of Tillman’s fratricide.

Having read and been very impressed with Krakauer’s Under the Banner of Heaven, I was expecting – and got— a complex story. As a non-football fan, I don’t know the difference (or if there is one) between a sack and a tackle or a fullback, a free safety and a linebacker. But who Tillman was is only partially a superlative football player: he was a thoughtful, curious, sincere, fun-loving man. On his off- season time away from football he ran marathons and triathlons, read Chomsky and did graduate work in history. Tillman “stubbornly insisted on doing the right thing” which Krakauer calls his tragic virtue. I am glad to have read this book, which is a biography of an honorable man, an indictment of the war and the men who are conducting it, and a celebration of the good men and women waging it.best-book-i-read-in-2009 non-fiction13 s Maricruz450 64

Empiezo a preguntarme si Jon Krakauer ha escrito algún libro que no resulte deprimente. También si habrá escrito alguno aburrido, de esos que te dejan fría y se te hacen larguísimos. Por el momento los tres libros que he leído suyos (Hacia tierras salvajes, Mal de altura y este que ahora reseño) me han resultado apasionantes. Y mira que en este último, Donde los hombres alcanzan toda gloria, al principio me costó meterme. Sobre todo porque Pat Tillman, como protagonista, me resultaba del todo indiferente, las partes dedicadas a su carrera deportiva me daban ganas de saltármelas y su decisión de alistarse en el ejército me hacía poner los ojos en blanco. Por eso me sorprendió la tristeza que sentí al llegar al capítulo en que se narra su muerte. Claro que para entonces ya estaba completamente enganchada con la historia, y Jon Krakauer me había convencido ya de que Tillman era una persona excepcional. Qué cabrito el Krakauer, cómo logra que te metas en una historia hasta las trancas.

Muy recomendable también para entender el estropicio de la intervención estadounidense en Afganistán e Irak, y su responsabilidad, más bien su culpa, en la situación actual.12 s Valerity (Val)997 2,753

An excellent look at the life and sad, premature death of Pat Tillman, former NFL player who gave up a career playing football to enlist in the military. His brother he was so close to also followed him into danger after feeling they needed to be doing more in the era of post 9/11.

Knowing what happens to Tillman it's difficult to keep reading, but knowing the kind of writing that Krakauer is known for producing, one just keeps going, sure that the read will make it worth getting through in the end.biography-memoir celebrity military ...more10 s Marialyce (back in the USA!)2,056 699

There is so much to say about this travesty that was fostered on Pat Tillman and his family. To know that there are people in our military who are so devious and such cover up liars is super upsetting. Jon Krakauer paints a very depressing picture of the events that surrounded Pat Tillman's death. The fact that Pat will killed by friendly fire is horrible, but the idea that the army covered up this occurrence was awful. Soldiers are often killed by friendly fire and many of our troops are aware that this is a possibility. Most alarming in Pat's story was that others tried to advance their own careers by covering up what had happened.

Pat was a noble young man, a man who wanted to achieve that ability to be a man who is willing to stand up and do what he considers was right. Pat's being an "alpha male" as the author keeps on saying of him perhaps was the reason why he was where he wound up. It was infuriating to read of the many ways the government tried to "glorify" Pat's enlistment as well as his death. It was not as if his death was recognized for the tragedy it was but more for what the notoriety could do for others. How tragic too, was the fact that his family could not get the full story and were led astray by the many incorrect things that were said and done.

All in all this was a maddening read for me. It gave one pause to consider that if we conduct ourselves in this manner, what hope is there for any of our soldiers in the military. The book left me feeling depressed and somewhat helpless as I am sure The Tillmans have felt many times. What a shame that Pat's act of courage and bravery have been so overshadowed by deceit and lies.

The only complaint I have against the book is that the inherent dis one feels that Mr Krakauer bears for the former President. In a way, it spoils the telling of this story as it is inappropriate when writing a biography to infuse your own ideas on the reader.

10 s Christopher Saunders958 881

Jon Krakauer's Where Men Win Glory examines the life and myth of Pat Tillman, the football player-turned-soldier who died in Afghanistan in April 2004, becoming a poster boy for the American war effort. The truth was much more complicated: Tillman had strong doubts about the War on Terror and the Bush Administration, and his death came in an inglorious friendly fire incident, facts which were covered up by the Army in favor of sanitized war propaganda. Krakauer interviews Tillman's friends and family, depicting a tough-minded, intellectually curious young man who was far from the simple patriot presented to the public. Despite reputation as a hell raiser in high school (including a drunken assault which nearly killed a bystander), Tillman was at heart a gentle and thoughtful man who loved travel, relished food, read voraciously and loved his brother and wife. As a safety for the Arizona Cardinals, he quickly transcended a low draft status and became one of the NFL's top defensive players. After 9/11, a sense of duty compelled him to enlist in the Army Rangers; but a tour in Iraq, a war Krakauer shows he never believed in, disillusioned him and his stint in Afghanistan had a disastrous end. Krakauer somewhat hamfistedly parallels Tillman's early life with the rise of al-Qaeda and the Taliban for historical context; he fares better showing the Bush Administration's propaganda apparatus, not only lying about the war's justifications but spinning heroic tales from inglorious grains of fact (the similarly exaggerated Jessica Lynch story, in which Tillman played a peripheral role, is discussed at length). Tillman's death, coming soon after the revelation of torture at Abu Ghraib, was a boon for American warmakers; no longer able to speak for himself, or express his doubts about the war, Tillman became a pluperfect patriot that grossly misrepresented the complicated figure he was. Krakauer's book pays due tribute by providing readers a glimpse at Pat Tillman, a man whose principles proved a "tragic virtue" that led to his needless death.2023-books avocado-recs10 s Dave37

I was looking for a book about Pat Tillman, but instead found a book that, in my opinion, used him as an excuse, or means, to simply bash the Military, Bush administration, CIA and the wars we are engaged in. I had read prior books by Mr. Krakauer and enjoyed them, but honestly, after reading this book I find myself wondering how accurate or slanted those books were, as this book definitely had an agenda to me, which was not to focus on Pat Tillman. Sure, he's talked about a lot, but it felt a preamble to the real purpose of the book.

I realized that when there were pages dedicated to discussing the election results between Gore and Bush - what did that have to do with Pat Tillman? Was the auther implying that if Gore won, Pat would not have died? Maybe it was backdrop to us entering the war, but talking about how Gore won the popular vote but lost the electoral college due to the Supreme Court wasnt part of the story I thought I was going to read.

I was not looking for that when I picked it to read, but instead was wanting better insight into Pat Tillman, and others him, as well as a more unbiased picture of what happened that evening. Instead, I got a political rant that used allegations and rumors to paint a quite negative picture of almost everyone in the book.

The writing was good, but not great - more long magazine articles that had the benefit of hindsight, and used that hindsight to pass judgment. For me, having never been in combat or shot at, I refuse to judge those that are in battle or combat - I can only imagine the stress and fear, and have no idea how I would act in that circumstance, so who am I to pass judgement?


If anyone is interested in reading about what motivates a person to go to war, I highly recommend "Fearless - the Adam Brown Story". I was hoping this book would be in that vein, but it wasnt.9 s Paul EckertAuthor 13 books48

In a perfect world, everyone would have their biography written by Jon Krakauer after their death, and that book could be passed down through the generations, and people would truly understand who you were, and they would learn something and be inspired by your story.

Unfortunately, we live in a less than perfect world, and if Jon Krakauer writes a book about you, then your death was untimely, tragic, and undeserved.

Where Men Win Glory is the story of Pat Tillman, the NFL football player that gave up a $3 million contract to enlist with the US Army to kill those responsible for the 9/11 attacks in Afghanistan. He was killed by friendly fire in Afghanistan, and a circus of government cover ups and lies ensued.

We quickly learn, however, that there was a lot more to Pat Tillman than just this one selfless act of patriotism. Tillman was a complex individual, at once a fiercely independent alpha-male that defied the odds to accomplish his dreams, and also a super-sensitive, intelligent guy that eloquently and fearlessly expressed his deepest emotions in a journal.

The Krakauer formula of alternating between character profile and historical works yet again in this book. He seamlessly interweaves the history of Afghanistan history, the rise of the Taliban, the Bush presidency, and Pat Tillman's high school and college years. We see how these independent events eventually converge into 9/11, which inspired Tillman to join the Army, and also led to his death. The history of Afghanistan is really interesting, and it gives a deeper understanding of its people and the chaos it's been through in the last 30 years. The history of the Bush presidency was also interesting, and included some facts that I was unaware of. Some will be tempted to say Krakauer betrays a political bias against Bush. Despite any bias, Krakauer sticks to the facts, and these facts never seem intended to get in a cheapshot at Bush, but rather show how executive-level decisions can affect the lives of ordinary people.

Krakauer uses interviews and anecdotes from family and friends, colleagues, co-workers, and direct passages from Tillman's diary to build the fascinating story of Pat Tillman and who he was beyond the headlines. Even though I'm rather cynical about the military and how it's used in America, I was truly inspired by Pat's strong work ethic and sense of duty in his story. But I was equally inspired by his introspective journal writing, and I have been trying to write more in a journal that sees entries often six months apart.

The unintended effect of this story was that at times it made me really sad. Though it does a great job of celebrating Tillman's life, we often view his loss through the eyes of family and friends, and it's just heartbreaking. I haven't lost a lot of people in my life, so stories this help me sympathize with those that have.

Krakauer's prose is at turns grandiose, informative, and heartbreaking. I caught myself wishing he would write about my life, but without the grisly death and everything.

I listened to the audiobook version, and Scott Brick did an excellent job of narrating the story. His voice perfectly embodies the spirit of Krakauer's writing, lending it the appropriate level of gravitas and timbre.

Highly recommended, especially for fans of Jon Krakauer's writing.


8 s Mateo110 24

It's no accident that Where Men Win Glory is framed by quotes from Homer and Aeschylus, because, make no mistake about it, this is a Greek tragedy, the story of a heroic, if flawed, human being who is played with by the gods a fly by wanton boys. In this case the gods are the neoconservative hawks who brought the war in Iraq down upon our heads, and the book is an indictment--yes, okay, a searing indictment--of the foolishness, hubris, and evil at the root of this immoral war. It's also one of those books that you'd to give to anyone who's thinking of signing up for the Army, because it's hard to imagine anyone reading about all the crack-house errors that go into a SNAFU battle al Nasiriyah (in which one US battalion called for A-30 Warthog strikes, shooting uranium-depleted bullets at 60 rounds a second, against another), or the one in which Pat Tillman was killed by his own troops, without seriously questioning the glories of war. If you thought Black Hawk Down could show you what really serious shit looks when it hits a big, deadly fan, you'll find the second-by-second accounts of Where Men Win Glory to be just as appalling and irresistible.

Krakauer seems incapable of writing a book that is not riveting, and in Pat Tillman he has a naturally riveting subject: a jock who read Emerson and Chomsky, a macho athlete who was an outspoken atheist and supporter of gay rights, a multimillionaire who drove a beat-up Volvo station wagon, a soldier thoroughly opposed to the war in which he fought but whose sense of duty precluded any action but to serve his country as he'd agreed to do. (To be fair, Krakauer's weakness is that he almost always admires his subject too much, and there is a bit of hero-worship here, too. Still, Tillman was a remarkable man.) That this very private man's public heroism should wind up as P.R. fodder for the corrupt machinations of Halliburton and Bush is a tragedy that perhaps even Homer could not have anticipated.

A definite must-read.
8 s Dan1,191 52

John Krakauer has published six book-length works of non-fiction. He is most widely known for his reporting on the climbing tragedy that occurred on Mt Everest in 1996 that became the book Into Thin Air. It is widely considered the best book on mountaineering ever written.

This book — Where Men Win Glory: The Odyssey of Pat Tillman — was published in 2009 several years after Tillman’s death by friendly fire in 2004. It was published with the cooperation of Tillman’s wife Marie and it is a tear-jerker.

I didn’t start out liking this biography.
Krakauer, the author, knows little about football and football was definitely a large part of Pat Tillman’s life prior to his enlistment. Despite his small size, Tillman was both driven and highly intelligent. He worked his tail off and hit the weights in high school and won a scholarship to ASU. Within a few years he became one of the best linebackers in the country at the college level. Due to his small size, he was not selected until the last round the NFL draft in 1998 by the Arizona Cardinals. In his three years in the NFL he became one of the leagues best players at strong safety leading in tackles. We get a notion of Pat’s character both on and off the field from the book. He is an enigma — both a wild man and a very thoughtful person.

Then 9/11 happens. The tragedy affects Tillman very deeply. He declines an offer from the LA Rams for a $10 million contract and stays with the Cardinals for the league minimum. By the next spring his attention turns toward the war in Iraq and Tillman decides to walks away from the NFL at the peak of his career. He enlists with the Army Rangers — his bit to help win the war against terrorism.

Pat enlists with his younger brother Kevin, who is also his best friend. The Pentagon is notified that the NFL star has enlisted. Tillman is aware that his enlistment is being covered widely in the media and he expects he will be manipulated. He states to his friend that the Bush administration will exploit him in the event of his death and he writes in his will that there shall be no parade, public ceremony nor chaplains at his funeral. Tillman clearly saw the possibility of the dark scenario that sadly unfolded just two years later!

It is the second half of the book that is so extraordinarily well wrought and heartbreaking. Perhaps only Krakauer could have told the story so well — both the level of detail and dramatic story telling receive the highest marks.

In a minute-by-minute commentary Krakauer describes Pat’s last day on earth, April 22, 2004, when he headed out on that mission in Afghanistan near the Pakistan border. Just hours after Pat is killed, we learn of the lies communicated by the Pentagon to the family. That is that Pat died during a terrorist ambush — rather than by the friendly fire that actually killed him. Even Pat’s brother, Kevin, who was only a few hundred yards away at the time of Pat’s death was also lied to. The Tillman tragedy occurred during the same week as Abu Ghraib and Rumsfeld felt the administration could not simultaneously weather the outrage if the real Tillman story were publicly known at that time.

If you’ve read Krakauer then you know he is a truth seeker, and he is brutally candid in his assessments. In this case his outrage is directed at the military brass for the coverup. He also does not paint a flattering picture of the men in the Humvee who manned the machine guns that mowed down Pat Tillman. But Krakauer also makes it clear that there was no malice in the men who pulled the trigger.

4.5 stars. This story was even better told and more emotionally impacting than Blackhawk Down — another notable and great book in this genre.5-star-overall 5-star-sports-and-adventure7 s Jennifer46 53

The story of Pat Tillman is probably already somewhat familiar to many from news headlines - he's the Arizona Cardinals player who turned down a multi-million football contract to go fight al quaeda in Afghanistan after 9/11 only to be killed by friendly-fire. Of course, the Bush administration, wanting to use Tillman to hype the glory of war, covered up the circumstances of his death at first, making it a bigger headline later. If the government had been truthful from the start, Tillman's name ly would have been long-forgotten by anyone that didn't watch football.

The cover-up is the hook Krakauer uses to lead us into the story of Tillman's life, which is almost more compelling than the Army's lies about his death. Just as with Krakauer's earlier books, I couldn't put this down once I started reading. It's best people-watching in book form, though sad. The beginning does start out a little slow as he gives the history of Afghanistan that led us to where we were in the early 2000s. That history lesson does pay off in the end.

Relying on Tillman's journals, interviews with Tillman's widow and his Army buddies, as well as congressional testimony and a book by Tillman's mother, Krakauer gives such a realistic, detailed description of the guy that you feel you don't necessarily know him, but know the guy he was, if that makes any sense. Tillman kind of lives by his own code. He gets into ASU on a football scholarship, but also graduates with honors. He reads Noam Chomsky and Homer, but also s to drink and tells a French guy glaring at him when drunk one night "you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for us." When he first signs on as a pro-football player with the Cardinals, he rides a bike to practice because he doesn't yet own a car ( practically unheard of in Phoenix.) He's this hot football player with long hair who marries his first girlfriend, despite spending four years separated while he attends one of the biggest party schools. All of which makes him sound a bit a man of contradictions, but really, Krakauer reveals a guy who is open-minded but lucky enough in life to be able to live by his ideals. At the same time, Tillman almost admits as much in one of his journals, and he comes across as humble and likable.

I have to admit that part of the reason I was interested in reading this was that Tillman went to Arizona State the same years I did and I remember the excitement over football the year that our team not only beat Nebraska but made it to the Rose Bowl. I didn't know him or even clearly remember him being on the football team as I never actually went to a football game. (The only person I remember being on the football team was Jake Plummer and I only knew his name because I worked at the student paper and at one point Plummer had told one of the sports reporters to "go eat a dick sandwich," which of course immediately became a running joke, and eventually Halloween costume...)

Reading this, I can see that there's no reason I would have known Tillman. I could totally place his type of crowd in college, through Krakauer's details.

Krakauer tries to tell two stories here. The one about Tillman and one about the problems with the war being fought in Iraq and Afghanistan. The latter story he doesn't dig into as much and he comes at it with such an anti-Bush opinion from the start that it was hard for me to completely trust his reporting or conclusions, even though I'm totally anti-Bush. The cover-up over Tillman's death is maddening and, if there had never been the faked WMDs, that alone would have made me disbelieve anything else the Bushies said.

Anyway, read the book to be annoyed all over again with Bush and the Iraq war and the mishandling of the Afghanistan war. But really, it's the story about Tillman, and the love story between he and his wife, that really makes this worth it. And Krakauer really nails the ending.6 s Neil6 2

What I wanted from this book was an in-depth investigation into Pat Tillman's death and the ensuing cover-up by the military and our government. What I got instead was a quasi-biography of Tillman coupled with a parallel discussion of the Bush administration's handling of Iraq and Afghanistan. Neither bothered me terribly, I guess, since I attended ASU at the same time Tillman did and was a huge fan of his from the very start, and since I voted against Bush twice. But still, be aware of the subject-matter of the book if you choose to read it. Tillman himself was an amazing character, more amazing than even I had realized given his background, his age, and his career. It is undeniable that he made a choice that 99.99% of Americans would not make if they were in his shoes. A choice, of course, that he paid for with his very life. He did it simply because he felt it was the right thing to do, and not for money (which he gave up) or fame (which he already had). That extremely compelling aspect of Tillman's personality was very poorly explored and highlighted in Krakauer's book. I learned details of his life and death that I didn't know before, which is fine. But the book was not gripping, as Tillman's actual story deserves to be. 6 s Adrienne22

I'm a huge Krakauer fan, but this book was not his best work.

The transitions between Afghan military history and US involvement in that country's affairs, and more personal information about Pat Tillman
are rather awkward.

Also, as much as I can't shake a stick at a man who gives up a sweet NFL career to join the military - I found Tillman to be a somewhat irritating character for his lack of realism or maturity. I believe he could have done much more good staying here and using his status and money to act as an agent of change, rather than to go over and fight in Afghanistan. Now he's gone, and can do no more. However, his choice to get his hands dirty and fight anyone else can never be underestimated.

For those who haven't seen much information about Afghanistan's history leading up to our invasion post-911, this is a great book to get an overview of all of the many invasions and forms of government inflicted upon this small and destitute country.

The examination of Tillman is somewhat starry-eyed, but still a solid character study - just not incredibly interesting.

I wanted to love this book, but I only sort of it.6 s ShaunAuthor 4 books191

I really enjoy Krakauer's writing, so much so that this is the fourth book written by him that I've read in the past year. I also purchased two other books (on this topic) and a documentary after reading his version of the Pat Tillman story. Thus it goes without saying that I gave this five stars.

What is the book about?

The obvious answer is Pat Tillman, the famous football player who gave up a multi-million dollar contract to enlist in the army after the September 11th attacks. Pat's story alone is a remarkable one.

A super athlete, who apparently was also a gifted baseball player, Tillman tackled his way into the NFL and eventually a starting position - something only a few talented men ever do - despite his relatively small size.

Receiving a full scholarship to ASU, he graduated with a 3.8 grade point average. He then pursued a master's degree while playing professional ball.

He married his high school sweetheart, whom he had known most of his life, and adored her until the day he died.

He was an atheist who believed in living this life to its fullest and whom people claimed never went any where without a book.

He turned down a lucrative contract from the Saints - stunning many - in order to continue to play for the Cardinals, the organization that had picked him in the last round and given him the chance to prove himself.

His decision to join the army - along with his younger brother - stemmed from a desire to do the right thing, even though it meant leaving his career at its pinnacle and his new wife - arguably a "perfect" life.

But it's not just a story about Pat, as interesting as his life was. It is also a recounting of America's complicated relationship with the Middle East, including early U.S. support of groups - which coincidentally evolved into al-qaeda and the Taliban - that could help nullify the Soviet threat.

It discusses how America helped to train, finance, and ultimately lay the groundwork for the terrorist forces that would become enemy number one.

In fact, some could say the U.S. played into Osama bin Laden's hands. He wanted desperately to drag the Americans into what he deemed an un-winnable, not to mention expensive and crippling, military conflict (mission accomplished). It turns out, our invasion of Iraq and removal and later execution of Saddam Hussein, a man Osama detested, was simply icing on the cake.

Except, that's not all. It's also a story about propaganda, lies, political whitewashing, and doublespeak.

When Pat Tillman is killed by friendly fire, the powers-that-be do everything possible to mislead the public. Not only do they withhold the fact that Pat is killed by his fellow Rangers (from his family and the public), but they instead suggest he is the victim of an ambush and then quickly prop him up as a hero,using his story to garner support for the war at a time when support was waning. Considering Pat's views on the matter, this was extremely disrespectful to the man who had made the ultimate sacrifice for his country.

And somehow, Krakauer weaves it all together into one cohesive and riveting read.

Would recommend to Krakauer fans - he does not disappoint - and/or anyone with an interest in Pat Tillman and his story. Complementary themes that might interest are the cover-up angle as well as the extraordinary sacrifices that military families make(that most of us are spared)during times of war.

Other Krakauer books I enjoyed:

Into the Wild
Into Thin Air
Under the Banner of Heavenjon-krakauer non-fiction read-in-20135 s AWBookGirl217 13

I’ve been finished with Jon Krakauer’s Where Men Win Glory for over a week now. But this is one of those books that stirs up emotions, ones anger and frustration, and it took me some time to figure out what exactly I want to say.

Jon Krakauer has covered in other books a fundamentalist Mormon sect murder, the 1996 Everest disaster, and the story of an Emory University kid trying to make it in the wilds of Alaska. I read and really d all of those books, so when I saw Where Men Win Glory on a recent bookstore trip, I picked it up without hesitation.

You probably remember the story of Pat Tillman. He was the Arizona Cardinals football player, who left behind a fairly lucrative NFL career to enlist, with his brother Kevin, in the Army after 9/11. After a tour first in Iraq, Tillman was killed by friendly fire during his last tour in Afghanistan.

In true form, Krakauer provides a thorough history of Pat Tillman, from his early sports days to the time he spent in Juvenile Hall for fighting, to his relationship with friends and family, and of course his decision to enlist and all its repercussions.

Also in true form, Krakauer lays out the very facts that incited the anger and frustration I felt when I was reading this book. I remember bits and pieces of the story but when it broke, I was working some crazy hours and not paying too much attention to the news. I missed the full ramifications of the story. Reading this, I finally understood.

So what brought on the anger and frustration? Two things: Krakauer explains how the Army completely failed to follow protocol, thereby failing Tillman’s company, and of course, Tillman himself. Then, the whole cover up that ensued after his death, a cover up that reached all the way to White House Staffers. Had Tillman’s family not been who they are, we might never have known about the fratricide.

This is what Krakauer does best. He weaves the history and backstory into the crux of the real story. He presen
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